Thursday, September 24, 2009

Faul in Line: PID, Truth Suppression, & Info Wars in Cyberspace (updated)



Paul McCartney (left) vs. Faul (right)
One particularly interesting thing that has come to light during the course of my research & involvement with PID is how infiltrated & even controlled some of the online forums are. For example, the PID threads on different forums have been targeted by what seem to be disinfo agents. It seems that their agenda is to get the threads closed & kill any discussion of Paul McCartney & his replacement. This is something I come up against a lot:
19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation (Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist)


.. Since their goal is to silence you, it would serve their ends to have both you and
themselves banned from a given forum or online publication. They don’t really want to be there anyway. They want you to shut up. If you’re not there, they have no reason to be there. In all outcomes, it is your removal they seek. They will do whatever is
necessary to accomplish that goal. They have no personal interest in the forums they
harass...

If you are a target, anything you post online will be targeted with inane and pathetic criticism. Even the smallest aspect of what you write will be magnified by the fake activists. They will interpret anything and everything in the worst possible light. My advice on this is to ignore it. Real activists will see it for what it is...

Finally, they will often pretend to be activists bored with your writings. This, of course, is absurd. Think about it. When you see a boring article, what do you do? If you are normal, you just don’t read it and go on. You do not spend your time responding to it and elucidating to the world just how boring it is. Only a troll does that. If you are political, that troll is a COINTELPRO operative...

All forums have administrators. Being a forum administrator requires time and effort. In fact, it is a headache. Forum administrators must deal with complaints, they must comply with their host’s terms of service, and they must monitor the forum. While it may be the case that some forum administrators are motivated by a love for debate, a desire to create a community, or a dedication to free speech, ask yourself a simple question; do you really believe that the percentage of people within the human population dedicated to such concerns, with ample time on their hands and sufficient knowledge of technology are large enough to support the hundreds of thousands of online forums worldwide? I doubt it. You should doubt it too.
Given this observation, it follows that one should assume just the opposite. Specifically, one should assume that a great number of forum administrators are interested in something other than a love for debate, a desire to create a community or a dedication to free speech. I propose that most online forums are a kind of Trojan horse. They are offered on false pretences. Sitting behind the forum, the administrator may be more interested in things such as making money, identity theft, blackmail, extortion and governmental monitoring. Indeed, what I have discovered is that many online forums are run by retired police officers. Several I have encountered are run by a U.S. Army PsyOps agent. Others are run by intelligence agencies.

I do not wish to make you paranoid. There are some good forums out there. I tried to run a few. When I refused to share IP information with COINTELPRO and refused to
display IP information publicly, they shut me down through relentless harassment.

In my own case, the administrator of a forum on which I was posting provided all of the information he could to COINTELPRO and actively assisted them in harassing me. Given this experience, I suggest you do not use a forum unless you personally know the forum administrator...

An Introduction to The Signs And Techniques of Online COINTELPRO
By Stephen DeVoyhttp://www.indybay.org/olduploads/introtoonlinecointelprofree.pdf
...Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for
a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum
can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting
unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into
complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is
the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by
the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms.
Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can
deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting
memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline.
By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not
always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a
'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and
from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda
purposes...
Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/60831
...What all of this seems to suggest is that the Powers That Be (PTB) have developed COINTELPRO to an all new level of Social Shaping, Cultural Brainwashing, and the main targets of this activity would include virtually anyone who is seeking the truth about the shifting realities of our world. The cases of COINTELPRO activities against political groups must be no more than the tip of the iceberg, given that the great bulk of COINTELPRO-type operations remain secret until long after their damage has been done. By all indications, domestic covert operations have become a permanent feature of U.S. politics and Social Programming, and it is hardly likely, considering the evidence, that the New Age and Human Potential fields are exempt.

The implications of this are truly alarming. Those who manage to get close to the truth of these matters, despite the many obstacles in their path, face National covert campaigns to discredit and disrupt their research and reputations. Clearly, COINTELPRO and similar operations under other names also work to distort academic and popular perceptions of the problems facing our world. They have done enormous damage to the search for the Truth.

How to Spot COINTELPRO Agents
Laura Knight Jadczykhttp://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-to-spot-cointelpro-agents.html


Another tactic used by disinfo agents is to constantly harass the mods on a given forum for any minor thing their opponents say that could even remotely be considered "rude" or "ridiculing." Any chance they get, they will complain to the moderators until they get a thread closed. The best strategy is to simply ignore them.



Disinfo agents will also use multiple usernames and give "each other" support. To outsiders, it makes it seem that there is more support for a particular viewpoint than there really is. An example of this is Light_man/Socrates/Bealert on the David Icke Forum. The same person posts relentlessly on PID threads to try to "debunk" PID. This person will support himself with his various aliases. For example, "Light_man" will comment positively on "Bealert's" anti-PID comment. How do I know it is the same person? Bealert is using the exact same signature today that Light_man was using yesterday (Light_man has since changed it). I asked the mods to investigate, but I am not optimistic that they will. And even if they did, this person is probably using different IP addresses to sign up.



There are some people who think Above Top Secret (ATS) is COINTELPRO:http://www.illuminatirex.com/is-the-ats-forum-cointelpro/


This was posted by "Darrell Kern" (see comment section):
...I was banned from ATS for even mentioning AMKON...

Sadly my request for confidentiality had not been honored as he had already spilled the beans to a few people which led to questions from them as well. I found out that the William Morris Agency does not represent ATS nor it's staff or site owners and much investigation revealed many aliases of site owners and many nefarious things which led me to formulate an opinion that ATS is a COINTELPRO organization and I will hold this opinion until all research is completed...

ATS began sending spies over to AMKON since AKMON hit the net- but the activity increased substantially and my posted findings and research began getting debunked by a series of "newbie members" who began signing up quite fast and in record numbers!!! All calling me a liar and worse. I found myself in the middle of a tremendous battle of the highest drama level (it literally was more entertaining that a soap opera). It came down to litigious threats- typical webgang activity and all 25 techniques were employed against me. When I did not capitulate or become intimidated (I was drawn in and I threatened exposure and posted entertainment industry consequences which would be imminent should the truth resemble my opinions). Soon ATS sent a site owner to handle the bad blood- he came in and immediately used all 25 techniques!...
Hello, this is Eric Dubay, author of The Atlantean Conspiracy:http://www.scribd.com/doc/2567299/EliteC....sShareWorldwide

Are any of you on this forum members of ATS (AboveTopSecret.com)? I know Mason/agent "Harte" is. I’m a long time member/poster and I have just received 5 unwarranted back-to-back warnings and posting ban from one of the site owners 1 day after posting this very important thread EXPOSING MASONS IN HOLLYWOOD. It’s called “The Will I Am Legend” and it hit too close to the mark for the Masons who own ATS:http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread354725/pg1
Once my book came out I was banned from Unexplained Mysteries.com as well, another Mason run conspiracy board. If you’re curious how I KNOW that these two forums are controlled by Masons feel free to message me and I’ll explain – I don’t want to take up too much space here. Suffice to say, ATS and UnexplainedMysteries.com, two boards supposedly dedicated to “conspiracy theory,” do not welcome my very SOLID research...
I think this one pretty much says it all:
Posted 13 August 2008 - 11:02 AM
After being censored on ATS myself, I did some research and found the following information :

QUOTE
I did a trace route on ATS. the Node Name is listed and maintained by the government.
IP Address 213.206.128 213.206.129 213.206.130
Node Name Gov-bb21-lan-14 Gov-bb22-lan-15 Gov-bb23-lan-16
Location Langley, Virginia
MS 60
Network Used whois.nic.mil (for military network information)
It was difficult to get the IP Address, It was spoofed and looped over 9 times. Anyway Langley, Virginia is where the CIA headquarters is. I'm more than concerned...

Update: (10/15/08) Now Conspiracy Cafe has closed the PID thread. That was the shortest lived one of all. It seems they couldn't handle/allow any discussion of Illuminati involvement in what happened to Paul.

Update: (1/13/10) ATS issues a warning for posting some of the above links on the forum. I believe ATS has been infiltrated by disinfo agents. Apparently, they do not want anyone to see this information or at the very least, cannot take any criticism. Their actions merely reinforce my conclusion that they are not entirely what they claim to be: a vehicle for exposing the truth.

Update: (1/19/10) I think some of us were already aware of this strategy, but now they are just coming right out and saying what they are doing.



Paul Watson on Alex Jones Tv: Obama’s Info Czar Sets Plan To Infiltrate Truthers & Alex Jones

Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein, Obama's appointee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, outlined a plan for the government to infiltrate conspiracy groups in order to undermine them via postings on chat rooms and social networks, as well as real meetings, according to a recently uncovered article Sunstein wrote for the Journal of Political Philosophy.
Go to the article to watch videos about this.

Update (4/1/10): Light_man on the David Icke forum has resorted to the lowest of disinformation tactics. He has posted a picture of me to show me that he knows who I am. I suppose this threatening posture is his spineless attempt to try to intimidate me into not posting anymore. All he has done has shown me that I am getting to them - that I am effective. It has strengthened my resolve to fight until the Truth about Paul McCartney is revealed. I filed a complaint with the Icke forum staff yesterday, but I have not received a response. I do not expect them to take any action, as they have likely been infiltrated as well.

I strongly suspect Light_man is a paid disinformation agent. He posts under various aliases, such as "Socrates" and "Bealert." This person uses multiple usernames to support his own posts to create the illusion that he has more support from other forum members than he really does. What he is, though, is a joke and an embarassment - even to fellow PIA'ers.


UPDATE (8/11/10): ATS has resumed its crackdown on PID Truth. Last year, it permanently shut down a PID thread after PIAgents launched one of their coordinated campaigns against us using their usual tactics of insulting, bullying, and intimidating PID Truthers.

PID Truther, Getsmart, started a new thread called PID - Motivations for the Murder of Paul McCartney. ATS promptly moved it from the higher traffic area where it had originally been posted to the BTS forum (Below Top Secret) to ensure that it would have less visibility. At any rate, Getsmart politely requested that no PIAgents post on the thread, and that the thread should only be used to discuss theories about what happened to Paul.

PIAgent, Edmond Dantes, refused to respect that request, and has started spewing his vitriolic venom on the thread to try to get the thread shut down. I sent a polite request to the ATS staff to ask him not to post on that thread because he was disrespecting the OP's request and was trying to provoke us with his off-topic posts to get the thread closed. For my efforts, forum staff member, GAOTU789, sent me a warning! Excuse me?

[The moderator GAOTU789 has signatures links that appear to be pro-war in Afghanistan and pro military intervention. He has chosen a Knight Templar for his avatar, which is a reference to the Templars that founded Scottish Rite Freemasonry and are connected to British intelligence.]

Well, to be honest, if you are going to try to expose the Truth about Paul McCartney's death and replacement, you can expect that and much worse. As I have related in other blog posts, I have been subjected to harassment, intimidation, and even threats for trying to expose what happened to Paul. Anyone who thinks PID is just a "hoax," should ask themselves why PIAgents try to silence PID Truthers.


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Faul McCartney caught right-handed




Faul McCartney caught playing guitar right-handed in India on the Anthology.



Another behavior that gives Faul away is his apparent right-handedness. Paul was an incurable lefty.
One of the big areas of controversy in the Paul is Dead conspiracy is which is his dominant hand - is he a leftie or a rightie? Paul is one of the most famous left-handed guitarists in the world and, in fact, in a 1963 interview Paul is quoted as saying the following about it...
"The only thing I couldn't cure myself of was being left-handed. I do everything with my left hand, and no matter how I try I can't change the habit. I just seem to do everything back to front. I used to even write backwards. Every time the schoolmasters would look at my handwriting they would throw swinging fits."
- Paul McCartney [from a 1963 interview]
Here is Paul himself, in his own words and before his alleged death, telling us that he is a devout leftie and that everything he does is with his left hand. Why is it then that in spite of this, there are a number of occurances after 1966 where Paul is picking up and/or holding objects with his right hand? Being a leftie myself, my dominant hand performs such tasks, i.e. my left, and because Paul has also admitted to being the same then his dominant, left hand should be the one seen doing such things. But there are a number of times after 1966 where he is shown in Beatle material doing something that is right-handed. These include: On page 4 of the Magical Mystery Tour booklet Paul is holding his wand in his right hand. At the beginning of the 'Fool on the Hill' segment in the Magical Mystery Tour movie Paul takes the cigarette out of his mouth using his right hand. In the Magical Mystery Tour movie, as the cast are getting drunk and singing on the bus Paul is shown holding his beer bottle in his right hand. In the music video for Penny Lane, Paul appears to take his bass guitar to hold right-handed before quickly correcting himself. On the cover of Abbey Road Paul is holding his cigarette in his right hand. In the booklet for Let It Be... Naked a photo is shown of Paul holding a cup of tea in his right hand. On the Anthology 7 video, as Paul is discussing the song 'I Will' clips are shown of their time in India. Two clips show during this that shows Paul playing right-handed guitar...
http://homepages.tesco.net/harbfamily/opd/left.html
There is an unusual scene in the Anthology 7 video / DVD where Paul is shown playing guitar right handed. The particular scene can be found approximately 50 minutes in where Paul is talking about writing the song 'I Will'. This particular song is playing as the scenes are shown. Of course we have to ask why Paul is playing right-handed here. According to the story, Paul's replacement William Campbell was a right-handed guitar play who had to learn how to play left-handed for public appearences. Maybe, since he was in remote India he felt he could let his guard down and play with his more comfortable stance?
http://homepages.tesco.net/harbfamily/opd/other.html
Paul played the bass left-handed. Notice how the right hand is on the fret board, while the left hand is picking the strings.



Faul betrays his natural inclination to hold the bass as a right-handed person. Notice how his left hand is on the neck (where it would finger notes on the fret board) and his right hand would be in position to pick the strings.


I'm sure Faul would never actually go on stage & play the bass like a righty, but he's been caught playing right-handed before. This is an official video from from the Anthology and captures Faul playing guitar right-handed:







In this image from the "Let It Be" movie, it appears the pick-guard is on top. It is possible that a right-handed guitar was restrung, but it could also be evidence that the image was reversed.


As mentioned in a previous post, he even folds his arms like a right-handed person.

Faul is shown lighting a cigarette with his right hand. Now it might be argued that a left-hander could light a cigarette right-handed. Maybe, but speaking as a right-handed person who has reasonable control of her left hand, I would not be comfortable using my left hand to put a flame that close to someone's face.


In "Penny Lane," Faul slips up briefly, showing his natural inclination to play right-handed:


Also from "Penny Lane" - Faul drinking with his right hand:



"Anonymous" also pointed out the difference in hands between Paul and Faul:

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Wednesday, September 23, 2009

I can smell your feet a mile away - they stink to high heaven


Smile away... Yeah, I'm smiling b/c it's so obvious that the two men do not have the same feet.

Here are Faul's feet:



Here are Paul's feet:

[sorry, have to find a new pic...]

"Paul's" shoe size changed from 8 to 9.5

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Monday, September 21, 2009

Get a Clue: Evidence Used to Establish Identity


Paul McCartney (left) vs. "Faul" (right)


What constitutes evidence to establish proof of identity? What evidence can be used to detect an imposter? First, some basic information on evidence and proof.
ev⋅i⋅dence  [ev-i-duhns] Show IPA noun, verb, -denced, -denc⋅ing.
–noun
1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.
3. Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evidence


proof  [proof]
–noun
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
...
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind...http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proof
Evidence is gathered, in some cases by forensic scientists, which can then be offered as proof.
Forensic science (often shortened to forensics) is the application of a broad spectrum of sciences to answer questions of interest to a legal system. This may be in relation to a crime or a civil action. Besides its relevance to a legal system, more generally forensics encompasses the accepted scholarly or scientific methodology and norms under which the facts regarding an event, or an artifact, or some other physical item (such as a corpse) are ascertained as being the case. In that regard the concept is related to the notion of authentication, whereby an interest outside of a legal form exists in determining whether an object is what it purports to be, or is alleged as being.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_science
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Photographs, voiceprints, fingerprints, and other methods of capturing unique identifiers can be used to establish identity. Here is US federal law on that:


[T]he term "record" means any item, collection, or grouping of information about an individual that is maintained by an agency, including, but not limited to, ... other identifying particular assigned to the individual, such as a finger or voice print or a photograph... 5 USCS § 552a(4).

[T]he term "means of identification" means any name or number that may be used, alone or in conjunction with any other information, to identify a specific individual, including any--
...
(B) unique biometric data, such as fingerprint, voice print, retina or iris image, or other unique physical representation; ...

United States v. Hawes, 523 F.3d 245, 249 (3d Cir. Pa. 2008); United States v. Mitchell, 518 F.3d 230 (4th Cir. S.C. 2008).

... [T]he district court found that duty titles were not comparable to captured immutable characteristics such as finger or voice prints or photographs. The district court reached these conclusions because an individual's duty title changes over time, because multiple people can concomitantly have the same or similar duty titles, and because each individual has predecessor and successor holders of the same duty titles. We agree with the reasoning and conclusions of the district court. In circumstances where duty titles pertain to one and only one individual, such as the examples of identifying particulars provided in the statutory text (finger or voice print or photograph), duty titles may indeed be "identifying particulars" as that term is used in the definition of "record" in the Privacy Act. For the reasons detailed by the district court, however, the [**9] duty titles in this [*188] case are not "identifying particulars" because they do not pertain to one and only one individual.

Pierce v. Dep't of the United States Air Force, 512 F.3d 184, 188 (5th Cir. Miss. 2007).
The legal standard in USA is evidence is admissible if it is relevant. From the Federal Rules of Evidence:


Rule 401. Definition of "Relevant Evidence"

"Relevant evidence" means evidence having any tendency to make the existence of any fact that is of consequence to the determination of the action more probable or less probable than it would be without the evidence.

Rule 402. Relevant Evidence Generally Admissible; Irrelevant Evidence Inadmissible

All relevant evidence is admissible, except as otherwise provided by the Constitution of the United States, by Act of Congress, by these rules, or by other rules prescribed by the Supreme Court pursuant to statutory authority...http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rules.htm


Comparing and contrasting photos, videos [see comps] & voice prints of Paul and Faul establishes that Paul was imposter-replaCIAed in 1966. Please see the following articles for more information:





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Was Heather Mills threatened into silence? (updated)


"I know everything and I know the truth."
~ Heather Mills [Source]


Paul McCartney (left) vs. CIAlebrity impersonator: "Paul McCartney"(right)


Heather Mills gave an interview during her divorce from "Paul" McCartney to Access Hollywood's Billy Bush. In the interview, she said, "You know why I’ve left you. Protect me, and I will say nothing.” She said something so awful happened that was beyond belief. Someone she had loved betrayed her immensely, and not by infidelity. She says people don’t want to know what the truth is because they could never handle it. They would be too devastated.

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Paul is Dead - the Rotten Apple 63 u (about Heather Mills):




Mills also said:
“Knowing what you know now about Paul, would you have married him in the first place?” Billy asked.
“Never,” Heather said firmly.

Heather Mills’ Shocking New Claim: "I Have A Box Of Evidence," November 1, 2007, http://www.accesshollywood.com/billy-bush/heather-mills-shocking-new-claim-i-have-a-box-of-evidence_article_7285

Mills has said she put evidence in a box & gave it to a friend in case anything happened to her.


Heather Mills McCartney accused Paul McCartney of failing to protect her and their 3-year-old daughter Beatrice from abuse, which she says ranges from lies and slander to death threats...

"Do you fear for your life?" she was asked in a British Broadcasting Corp. television interview.

"Yes I do, yes I do," she said.

"And you are saying that Paul McCartney does not protect you and your child?"

"I'm afraid not," Mills McCartney said.

She also appeared earlier in the day on an ITV television morning show, saying she had taken precautions because of death threats.

"I have a box of evidence that's going to a certain person, should anything happen to me, so if you top me off it's still going to that person, and the truth will come out," she said.

"There is so much fear from a certain party of the truth coming out that lots of things have been put out and done, so the police came 'round and said, `You have had serious death threats from an underground movement."'

On the BBC, she was asked if the tabloid newspapers were at fault.

"It's the tabloids and a certain party, but it is so extreme and so abusive ... I mean, I've been called monster, whore, gold digger, fantasist, liar."

"When you say certain party, do you mean someone from Paul McCartney's camp?" BBC reporter Maxine Mawhinney asked.

"I'm not allowed to talk about Paul and the court case and all that kind of stuff, because we are in court," Mills McCartney said.

"But it is, by clear implication, that's what you're saying," BBC reporter Jon Sopel said.

"I can't say, because I'd be in contempt of court. But you're not stupid, that's all I can say." ...

Heather Mills says she has box of evidence in case she's killed
http://www.katu.com/entertainment/10914886.html
I think Heather has been discredited by the media so that no one would believe her if she ever told the truth about Faul. Mills hints about what is going on behind the scenes:


MILLS: Married a legend and there's a machine behind. I can't really go into it. But, you know, you have to read between the lines. You know, there's a whole machine going on to create this negativity in Britain toward me.

KING: Caused by Paul?

MILLS: Well, I can't go into it. It's like, you know -- I just don't want to speak badly about Paul, you know?

I still love him and he's the father of my child. And, you know, there's things go on. Things are not what you see...


CNN LARRY KING LIVE: Interview With Heather Mills, March 20, 2007, http://edition.cnn.hu/TRANSCRIPTS/0703/20/lkl.01.html
Discrediting one's oppontent is a classic disinfo tactic.


The Illuminati FAQ by Abner Whateley
...
8. Their first means of dealing with opposition is to buy it off. To any group as rich as the Illuminati, a few million dollars are nothing.

9. Next they try threats. Danger to possessions, status or loved ones has dissuaded many a would-be foe of Illuminati schemes.

10. And, of course, murder is an ancient political weapon. The Illuminati have been responsible for some of the most shocking assassinations of modern times.
...

12. Those who can't be dealt with any other way are discredited or driven mad.
...

From http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/humor/illum50.html
The expression discrediting tactics in politics refers to personal attacks against a public figure intended to discourage people from believing in the figure or supporting their cause (see damaging quotations).

In public discourse, especially in societies with free speech, one of the most successful tactics to drain support from a cause is to discredit its spokesman. This tactic is similar to using an ad hominem argument in a debate. By discrediting the spokesman of a cause, the opponents of the cause hope that supporters or potential supporters will withdraw or withhold their support. In such a situation, the attitude seems to be: "If a person with this moral character or that level of intelligence supports the cause, it must be a bad cause." ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrediting_tactic
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